Honestly, Nate Silver has a point. It’s not that DeSantis deserves the kid-gloves treatment, but the criticisms have become so reflexive and high-pitched that naturally, sometimes they are bound to be overwrought. If you crank the drama factor up to 11 every time, then any time DeSantis deserves only a level-7 response, you will be 4 notches too high. Here, you mention that “no one remembers” awkward presidential announcements of the past, but don’t consider that perhaps that’s because presidential announcements simply don’t matter very much in general. Of course, to admit that here would be seen as ‘practically an endorsement of DeSantis’… or something.
It’s the same problem that plagued Trump’s coverage by the media, the result of which was that his supporters could always point to recent examples of unfair coverage that painted every mid-level offense as the next holocaust (yes, hyperbole, for anyone tempted to take that literally). The point is that if you were a little more measured and a little less activist, people might take you more a more seriously.
I have had the same issue and am careful about where I shop. A guy in a motorized wheelchair was making everyone jump in Aldi’s at the beginning of the pandemic. No mask, very grumpy. Tradesmen who visited my house remonstrated about mask wearing, but covered their faces when I was in the room. Geez!
There are some “never-Trumper’s” who still support everything about “Trumpism.” Too many actually. The Bulwark stands by “never-trumpism” not just never-Trump.
Nate Silver is a good statistician and sports analyst. He's done some good things for America. But god help me, the man has the brain of an android.
Past a certain point, he simply does not understand human beings or what drives them, particularly when those things are principles-based.
Never Trump Republicans, pundits and voters alike, are perfectly capable of voting for a Democrat for principled reasons, or reasons that have nothing to do with "outcomes" or maximizing utility, or whatever. Quite a few Republicans voted for the Democrat both in 2020 and 2022, and seem to have vowed to do so until their former party comes back to something they can be proud of. One would think Nate would know this--either he doesn't quite grasp it, or he imagines DeSantis, by the numbers, to qualify as something a Never Trump Republican could be "proud of".
It's only "amazing" for Never Trump Republicans (for quite traditionally Republican reasons) to shun DeSantis for Biden, if politics to you is numbers on a page, or abstract beings from another galaxy. For all his gifts in data and numbers, people like Nate don't always grok politics or people.
It seems old Nate hit a nerve. I think that most people who write on politics for the Bulwark believe correctly that Donald Trump is a dangerous enemy of the republic and threat to the nation’s liberal order who should never become president again.. There are three ways to accomplish this. The first and easiest is for someone to prosecute and convict him of one his crimes before the end of the year or at least before the primaries. People should hope that happens, but things need to get moving for it to happen. The next way is for someone to defeat him in the Republican primaries and deny him the nomination. Ar present the person most likely to do that is Ron DeSantis. He is not my favorite. I would prefer Haley or Scott to him, but as long as he is the one with the best shot to take Trump down, I will support him, vote for him in my state’s primary, and try to talk others into doing the same. The final line of defense against Trump is for Biden to beat him in the general election. I don’t like the idea of having to bet the bank on a mentally fading eighty two year old who barely took Trump the first time and may be running next year with a recession hanging around his neck. It might work, but it would be better not to have to find out whether it would.
I understand that an important part of the Bulwark’s work is shilling for the Dems, and that Trump would be the weakest Republican candidate. But with the stakes such as they are now, I think it would be better to ease up on DeSantis and anyone else opposing Trump, and focus on the main task of stopping Trump, assuming of course that people at the Bulwark believe that is the main task.
I think kudos are in order for not even deigning to mention the "we broke the internet" spin attempted by the DeSantis team, even for mocking purposes. It really is THAT ridiculous. It's like holding a rally-style announcement but setting up only a few-dozen rickety chairs in the middle school gym. Then, when a *slightly* larger crowd than that turns out and the chairs all break and the fire codes are breached and no one hears the campaign announcement because the paramedics are too busy administering first aid... you claim you're so popular that you "broke the room."
Well, this is interesting. I guess there are still some things you don't do even if you're a Texas R: "NYT BREAKING NEWS A G.O.P.-led Texas House panel recommended that Ken Paxton, the state attorney general, be impeached for abuses of office."
So much good material to pundit about today! This was one of the best Morning Shots compilations by Charlie Sykes. Maybe it hit me that way because I can relate to the smile on my face when I read it to the smile that must have been on Charlie’s face as he was writing it. It blows my mind that America continues to idolize these juvenile delinquents with serious consideration to be the GOP nominee. It’s really everything culminating from the good thinkers and authors such as Tom Nichols, The Death of Expertise.
I'm glad you guys pushed back hard on Nate Silver. We're not going to go easy on ANY of these people--not Trump or, as is said above, not the people people who constantly suck up to him, push all of his lies and try to mimic his extremism. Charlie describes the Bulwark as "a motley crew of independent and idiosyncratic thinkers", which I think is accurate. It's why left wing people are Bulwarkers even though the site has a goal of eventually getting back to being "conservative". Actual liberals in the real world--the ones Limbaugh convinced GOPers to reflexively and ignorantly mock as part of their sour grapes response to losing the election in 1992--actual liberals miss the substantive conversations and the good faith debates our Republican friends used to enjoy. But these friends couldn't handle losing, simple as that. Instead of self-reflection, our GOP friends proved they were willing to side with whomever it took to exact their revenge on us, and this pettiness eventually gave us Donald Trump, with whom most of these people still stand. We love them anyway. And we thank God for the independent Bulwark writers and their tremendous sense of civic responsibility and their world view that is as kind and caring as it is tough minded and realistic.
I like to think that the DeSantis DeBacle of last night was the world's way of crapping on his head for all of the bovine scat he has been spreading since his landslide reelection - which might have been a lot closer, or he even might have lost, had the citizens of the Free State of Florida known what he was planning to do.
Does anyone know if MTG knows how ridiculous she looks when she's held up for examination, or has McCarthy made her feel like she's actually worth listening to?
As far as DeSantis goes, I feel like he's turning to his advisors and saying a version of: "You told me he'd be in jail/wasn't going to run/would have endorsed me by now"! This feels like more than missteps, it feels like they expected for something to FINALLY take him down, and there they'd be, the largest troll standing.
Honestly, Nate Silver has a point. It’s not that DeSantis deserves the kid-gloves treatment, but the criticisms have become so reflexive and high-pitched that naturally, sometimes they are bound to be overwrought. If you crank the drama factor up to 11 every time, then any time DeSantis deserves only a level-7 response, you will be 4 notches too high. Here, you mention that “no one remembers” awkward presidential announcements of the past, but don’t consider that perhaps that’s because presidential announcements simply don’t matter very much in general. Of course, to admit that here would be seen as ‘practically an endorsement of DeSantis’… or something.
It’s the same problem that plagued Trump’s coverage by the media, the result of which was that his supporters could always point to recent examples of unfair coverage that painted every mid-level offense as the next holocaust (yes, hyperbole, for anyone tempted to take that literally). The point is that if you were a little more measured and a little less activist, people might take you more a more seriously.
David Frum always has the most brilliant metaphors.
I have had the same issue and am careful about where I shop. A guy in a motorized wheelchair was making everyone jump in Aldi’s at the beginning of the pandemic. No mask, very grumpy. Tradesmen who visited my house remonstrated about mask wearing, but covered their faces when I was in the room. Geez!
Oh, the humanity!
There are some “never-Trumper’s” who still support everything about “Trumpism.” Too many actually. The Bulwark stands by “never-trumpism” not just never-Trump.
Nate Silver is a good statistician and sports analyst. He's done some good things for America. But god help me, the man has the brain of an android.
Past a certain point, he simply does not understand human beings or what drives them, particularly when those things are principles-based.
Never Trump Republicans, pundits and voters alike, are perfectly capable of voting for a Democrat for principled reasons, or reasons that have nothing to do with "outcomes" or maximizing utility, or whatever. Quite a few Republicans voted for the Democrat both in 2020 and 2022, and seem to have vowed to do so until their former party comes back to something they can be proud of. One would think Nate would know this--either he doesn't quite grasp it, or he imagines DeSantis, by the numbers, to qualify as something a Never Trump Republican could be "proud of".
It's only "amazing" for Never Trump Republicans (for quite traditionally Republican reasons) to shun DeSantis for Biden, if politics to you is numbers on a page, or abstract beings from another galaxy. For all his gifts in data and numbers, people like Nate don't always grok politics or people.
It seems old Nate hit a nerve. I think that most people who write on politics for the Bulwark believe correctly that Donald Trump is a dangerous enemy of the republic and threat to the nation’s liberal order who should never become president again.. There are three ways to accomplish this. The first and easiest is for someone to prosecute and convict him of one his crimes before the end of the year or at least before the primaries. People should hope that happens, but things need to get moving for it to happen. The next way is for someone to defeat him in the Republican primaries and deny him the nomination. Ar present the person most likely to do that is Ron DeSantis. He is not my favorite. I would prefer Haley or Scott to him, but as long as he is the one with the best shot to take Trump down, I will support him, vote for him in my state’s primary, and try to talk others into doing the same. The final line of defense against Trump is for Biden to beat him in the general election. I don’t like the idea of having to bet the bank on a mentally fading eighty two year old who barely took Trump the first time and may be running next year with a recession hanging around his neck. It might work, but it would be better not to have to find out whether it would.
I understand that an important part of the Bulwark’s work is shilling for the Dems, and that Trump would be the weakest Republican candidate. But with the stakes such as they are now, I think it would be better to ease up on DeSantis and anyone else opposing Trump, and focus on the main task of stopping Trump, assuming of course that people at the Bulwark believe that is the main task.
Please encourage the 18-25 year olds in your communities to vote!! They showed up more in 2020 than in '16 so we clearly need their voices/votes.
I think kudos are in order for not even deigning to mention the "we broke the internet" spin attempted by the DeSantis team, even for mocking purposes. It really is THAT ridiculous. It's like holding a rally-style announcement but setting up only a few-dozen rickety chairs in the middle school gym. Then, when a *slightly* larger crowd than that turns out and the chairs all break and the fire codes are breached and no one hears the campaign announcement because the paramedics are too busy administering first aid... you claim you're so popular that you "broke the room."
Well, this is interesting. I guess there are still some things you don't do even if you're a Texas R: "NYT BREAKING NEWS A G.O.P.-led Texas House panel recommended that Ken Paxton, the state attorney general, be impeached for abuses of office."
So much good material to pundit about today! This was one of the best Morning Shots compilations by Charlie Sykes. Maybe it hit me that way because I can relate to the smile on my face when I read it to the smile that must have been on Charlie’s face as he was writing it. It blows my mind that America continues to idolize these juvenile delinquents with serious consideration to be the GOP nominee. It’s really everything culminating from the good thinkers and authors such as Tom Nichols, The Death of Expertise.
I'm glad you guys pushed back hard on Nate Silver. We're not going to go easy on ANY of these people--not Trump or, as is said above, not the people people who constantly suck up to him, push all of his lies and try to mimic his extremism. Charlie describes the Bulwark as "a motley crew of independent and idiosyncratic thinkers", which I think is accurate. It's why left wing people are Bulwarkers even though the site has a goal of eventually getting back to being "conservative". Actual liberals in the real world--the ones Limbaugh convinced GOPers to reflexively and ignorantly mock as part of their sour grapes response to losing the election in 1992--actual liberals miss the substantive conversations and the good faith debates our Republican friends used to enjoy. But these friends couldn't handle losing, simple as that. Instead of self-reflection, our GOP friends proved they were willing to side with whomever it took to exact their revenge on us, and this pettiness eventually gave us Donald Trump, with whom most of these people still stand. We love them anyway. And we thank God for the independent Bulwark writers and their tremendous sense of civic responsibility and their world view that is as kind and caring as it is tough minded and realistic.
RE: DeSastor's Presidential Come-On Blowing up like the Hindenburg
O, the Humanity:
https://www.airships.net/hindenburg/disaster/oh-the-humanity-herbert-morrison-and-the-hindenburg/
I like to think that the DeSantis DeBacle of last night was the world's way of crapping on his head for all of the bovine scat he has been spreading since his landslide reelection - which might have been a lot closer, or he even might have lost, had the citizens of the Free State of Florida known what he was planning to do.
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Does anyone know if MTG knows how ridiculous she looks when she's held up for examination, or has McCarthy made her feel like she's actually worth listening to?
As far as DeSantis goes, I feel like he's turning to his advisors and saying a version of: "You told me he'd be in jail/wasn't going to run/would have endorsed me by now"! This feels like more than missteps, it feels like they expected for something to FINALLY take him down, and there they'd be, the largest troll standing.
Let’s put ole “Puddin”’s big reveal in perspective, shall we?
April the Giraffe giving birth netted over 1M viewers on livestream.