Regarding Tim's piece today on "humoring him" aka Trump. Isn't the bigger problem "humoring THEM" i.e. once Trump is gone, the voters are still there and aren't they the ones actually needing to "be humored"? If the Republicans think Trump's disappearance will provide for the return of the traditional Conservative party, isn't that naive? As equally naive as waiting out Trump, i.e. humoring him?
Again, the perfect is the enemy of the good. We want exactly what we want and we want it now. I too am unhappy with Elias. I listen to Akhil Reed Amar! He and his brother are the experts here I think.
Charlie, the Republicans will not pursue the ECA again, you should know being a former slimey R-member. They will instead rely on state legislatures to BOTH suppress certain voters ad then to jigger election results to their pleasure. Who cares about the ECA! Where have you been the last 12 months?
Charlie has a bone to pick with Elias - he’s not bending the knee to Liz Cheney.
I’ve read that if that ECA bill passes, it will give governors the ability to solely decide who gets their state’s electoral votes. If true, that is quite a good reason to NOT allow that bill to pass. Dems have been shown to pass things (just to pass something) that is not good for them. Plus if you think I trust any bill Manchin and Collins would co-author, ur nuts.
And finally, “ The J6 Committee may be having an effect, after all.” Let me fix that for you.
The J6 Committee HAS MADE an effect since their very first hearing. And that’s through the hard work and presentation of the evidence from EVERY member of that team and their supporting staff and investigators, film crew, etc. And I mean no disrespect to the great job Liz has done with them. BUT IT IS A TEAM!
So, the D's are spending hundreds of thousands of $$ trying to help some of the R Crazies win their primaries on the premise they'll be easier to beat come November compared to a more or less regular (read sane) R, an endeavor pretty much akin to cleaning your flamethrower while it's still loaded. You might get away with it, but then again if you don't...
I'm sure they're depending on many great polls and statistics in making this calculus. Now, polls and statistics can be useful things. But here's the thing...polls and statistics don't vote. People do. Just as they did in 2016 when all those numbers had pretty much anointed Hil...oh, never mind. Nothing to be learned from the past in this case.
And we're depending on the D's in Congress to have the great good sense to sign onto and pass this ECA legislation? Sorry, Charlie, FFS doesn't quite cover it. What really does probably isn't printable in this space.
I'm really sick of this particular hobby horse. JVL has this right. This isn't Democrats misrepresenting who these people are. It's providing the civic service of making more people aware of exactly what they stand for.
If you view that as some kind of nefarious trick, you're example #1,256,309 of removing agency from Republican voters.
I wonder if there is an added effect to pointing out that Trumpy Candidate X is too conservative for State Y.
If that candidate wins, think of the mindset of the republicans who agree with such an ad. They might just be more likely to sit out the general if they agree with the ad and see that they are out of step with the current republican party.
There seems never to have been any entreaty aimed at Pence that Short didn't see before or at the same time as Pence. including the Jenna Ellis memo and a meeting with Trump and Eastman in the Oval. And he was indignant from the start--should be a terrific witness.
It seems to me that the Democrats aren't so much promoting the Trump backed candidates as much as painting ALL Republicans with the same brush. In effect they ay are saying, "look at this Republican running for election. He supports Trump, therefore, all Republicans REALLY support Trump even if they say they don't." So it's not so much they want the Trump supported candidate to win, it's more that all Republicans are loyal to Trump first. You have to admit it would be hard to find a traditional Republican in office who did not vote against impeachment. Most Republicams in office have put Trump before country, and they will again. They have no spine.
Re: Elias' weird fixation on Kinzinger -- According to Jung, the Shadow, in being instinctive and irrational, is prone to psychological projection, in which a perceived personal inferiority is recognized as a perceived moral deficiency in someone else.
Marc Elias really kinda epitomizes the tendency for Progressives to create circular firing squads. They could avoid that by, you know, just taking a breath and looking honestly at what can be done. But no, no, instead they're going to refuse to repair and reinforce the defenses now because of course there is going to be another attack so why should we fix them? God, our empire for some competence in execution...
Elias is quickly relegating himself to "more trouble than he's worth" status. It's not like he's the only lawyer capable of taking batting practice against the litany of risible election lawsuits that Giuliani and his Keystone Cops brought forward after Trump's defeat.
Regarding Tim's piece today on "humoring him" aka Trump. Isn't the bigger problem "humoring THEM" i.e. once Trump is gone, the voters are still there and aren't they the ones actually needing to "be humored"? If the Republicans think Trump's disappearance will provide for the return of the traditional Conservative party, isn't that naive? As equally naive as waiting out Trump, i.e. humoring him?
Loved “Saying Goobye to My Father…” It was well worth taking the time to read the entire piece. Thank you so much for including it.
Again, the perfect is the enemy of the good. We want exactly what we want and we want it now. I too am unhappy with Elias. I listen to Akhil Reed Amar! He and his brother are the experts here I think.
Where are all the stories about Republican primaries where both candidates are contesting the results and crying the election was stolen from them?
I am done here.
Charlie, the Republicans will not pursue the ECA again, you should know being a former slimey R-member. They will instead rely on state legislatures to BOTH suppress certain voters ad then to jigger election results to their pleasure. Who cares about the ECA! Where have you been the last 12 months?
Charlie has a bone to pick with Elias - he’s not bending the knee to Liz Cheney.
I’ve read that if that ECA bill passes, it will give governors the ability to solely decide who gets their state’s electoral votes. If true, that is quite a good reason to NOT allow that bill to pass. Dems have been shown to pass things (just to pass something) that is not good for them. Plus if you think I trust any bill Manchin and Collins would co-author, ur nuts.
And finally, “ The J6 Committee may be having an effect, after all.” Let me fix that for you.
The J6 Committee HAS MADE an effect since their very first hearing. And that’s through the hard work and presentation of the evidence from EVERY member of that team and their supporting staff and investigators, film crew, etc. And I mean no disrespect to the great job Liz has done with them. BUT IT IS A TEAM!
So, the D's are spending hundreds of thousands of $$ trying to help some of the R Crazies win their primaries on the premise they'll be easier to beat come November compared to a more or less regular (read sane) R, an endeavor pretty much akin to cleaning your flamethrower while it's still loaded. You might get away with it, but then again if you don't...
I'm sure they're depending on many great polls and statistics in making this calculus. Now, polls and statistics can be useful things. But here's the thing...polls and statistics don't vote. People do. Just as they did in 2016 when all those numbers had pretty much anointed Hil...oh, never mind. Nothing to be learned from the past in this case.
And we're depending on the D's in Congress to have the great good sense to sign onto and pass this ECA legislation? Sorry, Charlie, FFS doesn't quite cover it. What really does probably isn't printable in this space.
I'm really sick of this particular hobby horse. JVL has this right. This isn't Democrats misrepresenting who these people are. It's providing the civic service of making more people aware of exactly what they stand for.
If you view that as some kind of nefarious trick, you're example #1,256,309 of removing agency from Republican voters.
I wonder if there is an added effect to pointing out that Trumpy Candidate X is too conservative for State Y.
If that candidate wins, think of the mindset of the republicans who agree with such an ad. They might just be more likely to sit out the general if they agree with the ad and see that they are out of step with the current republican party.
Marc Short has eloquently and appropriately tarred-and-feathered a national menace. Marc Short is the hot takes hero of the day.
There seems never to have been any entreaty aimed at Pence that Short didn't see before or at the same time as Pence. including the Jenna Ellis memo and a meeting with Trump and Eastman in the Oval. And he was indignant from the start--should be a terrific witness.
It seems to me that the Democrats aren't so much promoting the Trump backed candidates as much as painting ALL Republicans with the same brush. In effect they ay are saying, "look at this Republican running for election. He supports Trump, therefore, all Republicans REALLY support Trump even if they say they don't." So it's not so much they want the Trump supported candidate to win, it's more that all Republicans are loyal to Trump first. You have to admit it would be hard to find a traditional Republican in office who did not vote against impeachment. Most Republicams in office have put Trump before country, and they will again. They have no spine.
Re: Elias' weird fixation on Kinzinger -- According to Jung, the Shadow, in being instinctive and irrational, is prone to psychological projection, in which a perceived personal inferiority is recognized as a perceived moral deficiency in someone else.
Marc Elias really kinda epitomizes the tendency for Progressives to create circular firing squads. They could avoid that by, you know, just taking a breath and looking honestly at what can be done. But no, no, instead they're going to refuse to repair and reinforce the defenses now because of course there is going to be another attack so why should we fix them? God, our empire for some competence in execution...
Elias is quickly relegating himself to "more trouble than he's worth" status. It's not like he's the only lawyer capable of taking batting practice against the litany of risible election lawsuits that Giuliani and his Keystone Cops brought forward after Trump's defeat.