Buffalo mass shooter/Twitter screengrab On Saturday, a horrific act of terrorism was committed in Buffalo, New York. An 18-year-old gunman, Payton S. Gendron, is charged with opening fire on supermarket shoppers in a predominantly black neighborhood, killing 10 and wounding three. (All but two of the victims were black.) Gendron, who left a record of careful planning right down to outfitting himself in tactical gear and body armor, penned a “manifesto” in which he talks about white people in America being “replaced” by nonwhites.
Cathy, If you were shot and killed after a traffic stop for a nonfunctional brake light, what would you want people to say? Would you think it appropriate that some white women become wary of police in general? Would it be too "progressive" for parents of every color to talk to their children about following police commands to avoid being shot? I agree the causes of such shootings are complex, but we can do better. Failure to follow every command cannot be automatically assessed as a more dangerous situation for officers and therefore warrant deadly force. If we decide as a society that we want it to be that way, we need to make it common knowledge. A person with your intelligence can make an excellent argument. Unfortunately, some will boil that argument down to a meme - 'don't wanna get shot? Don't do stupid shit.'
This is hands down the worst post I've ever read on this site. A man just clad himself in body armor in order to go murder a bunch of black people because he's a white supremacist. The author correctly notes Tucker has been pushing white supremacy through his huge reach on Fox News for years. Fine, that's literally what every news outlet is reporting on right now. As she well knows. Then she pivots to well, what about this old lady tweeting other stuff that should stir outrage. Also here are a couple of guys tweeting about some conspiracy where he's linked to Ukraine, which was already debunked and which like zero people are reporting on seriously, unlike the complete train wreck that Tucker is continuing to promote with his huge following. Bulwark, these are not the same. You're not being balanced reporting both. You just seem stupid. Also completely disgusting after this happened. We had Trump and his both sides crap. Why is the Bulwark pretending both sides are equally awful?
Ah. Yes I see. Well, perhaps technically I misused the Latin term, but maybe all personal attacks are counter productive.
I think Cathy Young is an excellent writer and not at all over her head. I dont always agree with her views, but thats exactly why I “pays good money” to read the Bulwark. It often expands my views and even more often helps me hone my own thoughts. Either way its invaluable to my personal growth. Plus its interesting, and the Thursday zooms are some of the best entertainment on any screen. I hope we see Cathy on a Zoom. Its easier to get a read on someone when you can see them.
I also enjoy the multi-partisan community they’re developing here. Just wish we werent all so white. I really would love to see an Asian American somewhere. Or Native American. I live in NM and let me tell you, their culture has much to add to the conversation.
Before Deb Haaland became our Sec of Interior, she was head of the Dem Party in my State. She is a woman who takes no guff! One time I disagreed w something and fired off a very “guffy” email. Holy cow!! Did she set me straight!! And everything she said was right on point. I wish we had a Deb Haaland on the Bulwark.
Please don’t lecture progressives for having bad manners, relative to the hate the Right is responsible for. It may not have been your intention to play whataboutism, but that is exactly what you did.
Cathy, you are a national treasure. Anytime it seems like there is too much noise or nonsense surrounding a particular topic, I am always relieved to see you take it on in an article. Nobody is immune from bias, but I can't think of another author I trust more to be as fair as possible. Keep on being you.
“There is a group of people in this country who are trying to replace native-born Americans with immigrants who agree with their political views.” Yeah, started in 1492.
There is so much "Us, good guy, police" vrs the scumbags that it is amazing that more citizens aren't killed. When we talk about a 10th of a second decision. We seem to forget that it is all that time before that moment that determine what your decision will be.
It was the left that first started, "people of color are going to replace all you white people" usually followed with a "Niener, niener, niener"
Which I always thought was funny. The cluelessness of the idea that all immigrants were going to automatically vote liberal. Or even that there was a shared identity called "people of color"
About the both-sidesism: Outrage-porn takes on Twitter should not be used to represent progressivism. Not even the one from the blue-check-mark man who ran for congress and lost. He's not a party builder or policymaker. He's a professional troll, and I wish Cathy Young wouldn't feed him. I give her credit for acknowledging that these tweeters don't have the stature of members of Congress and prominent talk-show hosts.
Democrat here - Cathy and Charlie and the others are why I read the Bulwark. At first, I was annoyed that the article didn't stay on the topic of racial killings. However, she introduced me to other "sides" that were thoughtful and brought a broader understanding to me of the several issues involved. Unless Democrats AND Republicans can begin to see each other's broader takes on the political issues of today, we will end up with blood being spilled by people who are human beings just trying to live our lives as well as we can, having been brought to our political beliefs by family or other means. My initial take of annoyance was wrong and I'm so glad I read the rest of the article more thoroughly. Thank you, Cathy. I may get my back up at first glance, but I'm trying to understand Conservatives' beliefs. How will we ever get along together otherwise?
Re.: "Replacement Theory", it's no small irony that descendants of white Europeans who "replaced" Native Americans as they pursued conquest of their native lands don't see the hypocrisy here. Not to mention that those same ancestors forcibly imported as slaves a population they now see as a threat to their imagined supremacy.
My father was a policeman all his professional life. He was a policeman when I was born in 1948. He remained a policeman until his death from a heart attack in 1974. When I began driving he told me something I have carried with me all my life. He said "Cops are just people. They can have bad days. If you get stopped put your hands on the wheel. Be respectful. Do not argue. Do what the officer says". In my twenties I was stopped more than I care to admit. I had a heavy foot. But I followed my father's advice and it was invaluable. Not all cops are bad. Not all cops are good. But they are human.
Immigration and large demographic changes, differences in birth rates are issues faces by countries of all types, UK, Germany, Sweden, US in the past, even Russia. Definitely no easy answers. It is enormously frustrating to hear people complain endlessly about inflation and lack of workers at the same time they push anti-immigration policies (legal especially). Instead of letting people prove their worth, it is preferred to spend gobs of money to house people in an institution where they are unable to contribute to the economy. Granted some are probably bad people but i assume most are coming for similar reasons to my forebears.
"...it appears that approximately 17 percent of Americans harbor strong 'replacement theory' fears." That may seem alarming on its face, but it's nothing new. The nutcase portion of the population has been around 20% for as long as I can remember, which goes back to the 1950's when Dwight Eisenhower was labeled "a conscious agent of the communist conspiracy" by the same John Birch Society that seems to be popping up again these days. 56% of Republicans are reported to believe all or part of the Q-anon stuff, 75% the Big Lie; that may be scary, but it represents 15% and 20% of the population, respectively. What we need is maximum sunlight to keep this minority from ruining the U.S.A. For instance, send The Bulwark to everyone in the country. (As I wrote that last sentence, my 12th grade English teacher, Mrs. Tannenbaum, popped into my head, saying "you can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her drink." True as ever.)
>Racial bias in policing is real, is due to a number of factors, and is an enormously complicated subject (one that I tried to explore in a long Bulwark article a year ago). But it does not manifest itself in cops coddling white mass shooters while callously gunning down unarmed black people—if only because you could easily find examples of the reverse.
Actually, it does. Have you forgotten that after Charleston cops arrested Dylann Roof, they took him out for Burger King before taking him to jail?
And the two posts you cited from the Left as being off-base, from Old Woman Seeking Justice and Quasim Rashid, were exactly right. I too thought yesterday of the contrast between Buffalo police knocking down 75-year-old BLM protester Martin Gugino and calmly walking past him, and their response yesterday.
This is the second week in a row that you have shown an amazing obtuseness. Last week, you wondered why anyone should foresee a general attack on unenumerated privacy rights in the Constitution on the basis of the Alito draft, and today, you deny that white cops coddle white shooters, which is simply astonishing.
As I observed last week, it is beginning to look more and more like Mr. Sykes has made a very bad mistake in assigning the Sunday morning newsletter to you. I have read the Bulwark for 3 years now but an seriously wondering if I will continue my subscription.
Cathy, If you were shot and killed after a traffic stop for a nonfunctional brake light, what would you want people to say? Would you think it appropriate that some white women become wary of police in general? Would it be too "progressive" for parents of every color to talk to their children about following police commands to avoid being shot? I agree the causes of such shootings are complex, but we can do better. Failure to follow every command cannot be automatically assessed as a more dangerous situation for officers and therefore warrant deadly force. If we decide as a society that we want it to be that way, we need to make it common knowledge. A person with your intelligence can make an excellent argument. Unfortunately, some will boil that argument down to a meme - 'don't wanna get shot? Don't do stupid shit.'
This is hands down the worst post I've ever read on this site. A man just clad himself in body armor in order to go murder a bunch of black people because he's a white supremacist. The author correctly notes Tucker has been pushing white supremacy through his huge reach on Fox News for years. Fine, that's literally what every news outlet is reporting on right now. As she well knows. Then she pivots to well, what about this old lady tweeting other stuff that should stir outrage. Also here are a couple of guys tweeting about some conspiracy where he's linked to Ukraine, which was already debunked and which like zero people are reporting on seriously, unlike the complete train wreck that Tucker is continuing to promote with his huge following. Bulwark, these are not the same. You're not being balanced reporting both. You just seem stupid. Also completely disgusting after this happened. We had Trump and his both sides crap. Why is the Bulwark pretending both sides are equally awful?
Ah. Yes I see. Well, perhaps technically I misused the Latin term, but maybe all personal attacks are counter productive.
I think Cathy Young is an excellent writer and not at all over her head. I dont always agree with her views, but thats exactly why I “pays good money” to read the Bulwark. It often expands my views and even more often helps me hone my own thoughts. Either way its invaluable to my personal growth. Plus its interesting, and the Thursday zooms are some of the best entertainment on any screen. I hope we see Cathy on a Zoom. Its easier to get a read on someone when you can see them.
I also enjoy the multi-partisan community they’re developing here. Just wish we werent all so white. I really would love to see an Asian American somewhere. Or Native American. I live in NM and let me tell you, their culture has much to add to the conversation.
Before Deb Haaland became our Sec of Interior, she was head of the Dem Party in my State. She is a woman who takes no guff! One time I disagreed w something and fired off a very “guffy” email. Holy cow!! Did she set me straight!! And everything she said was right on point. I wish we had a Deb Haaland on the Bulwark.
Anyway apologies for veering off-topic. Peace.
Please don’t lecture progressives for having bad manners, relative to the hate the Right is responsible for. It may not have been your intention to play whataboutism, but that is exactly what you did.
Cathy, you are a national treasure. Anytime it seems like there is too much noise or nonsense surrounding a particular topic, I am always relieved to see you take it on in an article. Nobody is immune from bias, but I can't think of another author I trust more to be as fair as possible. Keep on being you.
“There is a group of people in this country who are trying to replace native-born Americans with immigrants who agree with their political views.” Yeah, started in 1492.
There is so much "Us, good guy, police" vrs the scumbags that it is amazing that more citizens aren't killed. When we talk about a 10th of a second decision. We seem to forget that it is all that time before that moment that determine what your decision will be.
It was the left that first started, "people of color are going to replace all you white people" usually followed with a "Niener, niener, niener"
Which I always thought was funny. The cluelessness of the idea that all immigrants were going to automatically vote liberal. Or even that there was a shared identity called "people of color"
About the both-sidesism: Outrage-porn takes on Twitter should not be used to represent progressivism. Not even the one from the blue-check-mark man who ran for congress and lost. He's not a party builder or policymaker. He's a professional troll, and I wish Cathy Young wouldn't feed him. I give her credit for acknowledging that these tweeters don't have the stature of members of Congress and prominent talk-show hosts.
Democrat here - Cathy and Charlie and the others are why I read the Bulwark. At first, I was annoyed that the article didn't stay on the topic of racial killings. However, she introduced me to other "sides" that were thoughtful and brought a broader understanding to me of the several issues involved. Unless Democrats AND Republicans can begin to see each other's broader takes on the political issues of today, we will end up with blood being spilled by people who are human beings just trying to live our lives as well as we can, having been brought to our political beliefs by family or other means. My initial take of annoyance was wrong and I'm so glad I read the rest of the article more thoroughly. Thank you, Cathy. I may get my back up at first glance, but I'm trying to understand Conservatives' beliefs. How will we ever get along together otherwise?
Re.: "Replacement Theory", it's no small irony that descendants of white Europeans who "replaced" Native Americans as they pursued conquest of their native lands don't see the hypocrisy here. Not to mention that those same ancestors forcibly imported as slaves a population they now see as a threat to their imagined supremacy.
Tucker Carlson and all media people who hype the Great Replacement Theory share responsibility for these murders.
My father was a policeman all his professional life. He was a policeman when I was born in 1948. He remained a policeman until his death from a heart attack in 1974. When I began driving he told me something I have carried with me all my life. He said "Cops are just people. They can have bad days. If you get stopped put your hands on the wheel. Be respectful. Do not argue. Do what the officer says". In my twenties I was stopped more than I care to admit. I had a heavy foot. But I followed my father's advice and it was invaluable. Not all cops are bad. Not all cops are good. But they are human.
Immigration and large demographic changes, differences in birth rates are issues faces by countries of all types, UK, Germany, Sweden, US in the past, even Russia. Definitely no easy answers. It is enormously frustrating to hear people complain endlessly about inflation and lack of workers at the same time they push anti-immigration policies (legal especially). Instead of letting people prove their worth, it is preferred to spend gobs of money to house people in an institution where they are unable to contribute to the economy. Granted some are probably bad people but i assume most are coming for similar reasons to my forebears.
"...it appears that approximately 17 percent of Americans harbor strong 'replacement theory' fears." That may seem alarming on its face, but it's nothing new. The nutcase portion of the population has been around 20% for as long as I can remember, which goes back to the 1950's when Dwight Eisenhower was labeled "a conscious agent of the communist conspiracy" by the same John Birch Society that seems to be popping up again these days. 56% of Republicans are reported to believe all or part of the Q-anon stuff, 75% the Big Lie; that may be scary, but it represents 15% and 20% of the population, respectively. What we need is maximum sunlight to keep this minority from ruining the U.S.A. For instance, send The Bulwark to everyone in the country. (As I wrote that last sentence, my 12th grade English teacher, Mrs. Tannenbaum, popped into my head, saying "you can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her drink." True as ever.)
Ms. Young, you wrote:
>Racial bias in policing is real, is due to a number of factors, and is an enormously complicated subject (one that I tried to explore in a long Bulwark article a year ago). But it does not manifest itself in cops coddling white mass shooters while callously gunning down unarmed black people—if only because you could easily find examples of the reverse.
Actually, it does. Have you forgotten that after Charleston cops arrested Dylann Roof, they took him out for Burger King before taking him to jail?
And the two posts you cited from the Left as being off-base, from Old Woman Seeking Justice and Quasim Rashid, were exactly right. I too thought yesterday of the contrast between Buffalo police knocking down 75-year-old BLM protester Martin Gugino and calmly walking past him, and their response yesterday.
This is the second week in a row that you have shown an amazing obtuseness. Last week, you wondered why anyone should foresee a general attack on unenumerated privacy rights in the Constitution on the basis of the Alito draft, and today, you deny that white cops coddle white shooters, which is simply astonishing.
As I observed last week, it is beginning to look more and more like Mr. Sykes has made a very bad mistake in assigning the Sunday morning newsletter to you. I have read the Bulwark for 3 years now but an seriously wondering if I will continue my subscription.