Well Charlie...I still disagree with you vehemently on this issue. Executive orders are the result of a gutless and useless legislative branch that spends its time investigating each other rather than doing their duty. MILLIONS of Americans are heavily burdened by student debt. It may not be a crisis as you would define it but for those Americans it is. We bail out airlines, other countries and special interests all the time. It is refreshing to see a President act for the American people. Republicans whine constantly about the cost...on their watch, the top 1% got quite a tax cut that benefitted very few yet , that was ok? Anyhoo..love the Bulwark and all you guys do! PC
I’m old enough to remember when the neocons were all in on executive power. Spend trillions of dollars to invade another country because we don’t like the guy in charge? CHECK!
Spend a fraction of that amount to release millions of Americans from indentured servitude to a predatory student loan system? TYRANNY!
This is my now almost weekly reminder that the one tide that is historically proven to lift all boats is education (not trickle-down economics, despite the GOP’s long-suffering devotion to that turd of a theory). The student loans people took out to get a college education were invested in local communities (restaurants, clothing stores, mechanic shops, etc.)… and the spillover effects of having more dentists, and doctors and even (gasp!) philosophy majors in a community are also well documented.
But, HEAVEN FORBID we try to do anything about the crushing debt these folks took on to give those benefits to their communities! SOCIALISM!!! Why, if we let these folks off the hook it might even incentivize more people to get educated! An educated populace? National disaster! I mean, just look at the dystopian wastelands of Canada, Sweden, Norway and every other country that provides a free university education to citizens. What would happen to us if we emulated their happier citizens and better healthcare systems?! Better the vagaries of the free market and for-profit lending in education, I say!
Gimme a break… Charlie, we agree on a lot, but you’re dead wrong on student loans. (And this is coming from a guy who gets no direct benefit out of the program.)
Kind of surprised that there isn't a moment of reflection upon Roger Stone's latest disclosed episode of diarrhea of the mouth. (Though, in fairness, I cannot begrudge anyone deciding that nothing he says is worth paying attention to.) So I'll take the liberty, albeit briefly, and give others the floor in offering their own analysis.
"F**k the voting. Let's get right to the violence."
Setting aside the somewhat significant fact that Mr. Monopoly is all but admitting that there already was a plan in place to overturn the election results, by whatever means necessary, before the ballots were cast, it is blatantly obvious that this privileged elitist has never stared down the business end of a gun that someone intended to use, or even a knife or some other blunt instrument that was wielded by somebody altogether willing to draw blood for a purpose. If faced with a real threat, there is little doubt that Stone would turn tail and run away faster than a starving mouse scampers for fresh cheese. Josh Hawley would be envious of the land speed record that Stone would set in distancing himself from any real threat of violence upon his person.
Something I'm not yet seeing here but when the hurricane de jour slams into Tampa, it will be a statement of how governance works in Florida. It may be DeSantis's waterloo. If it is as big as projections suggest, we can see whether government is interested in the needs of the people. In fairness, the feds will be tested as well but not in the same light.
I loved the definitions that Maddow gave last night about what occurs when you try to deny the people the right to vote. She said that it's an indicator that they don't want to use their power in office to help that group of people if they need it. Fascism essentially serves fascists, and they are only interested in preserving their own power. they are not interested in governance at all.
Would GOP voters support a Trump candidacy while Trump was under indictment? Look no further than Ken Paxton....
See, when Paxton or Trump gets indicted by the feds, it's the Deep State. If Hillary Clinton or Jim Comey were to get indicted by the feds, it's back the blue, law and order, rah rah. Also, if Hillary Clinton or Jim Comey aren't indicted, also Deep State. Same feds in either event, but how they are viewed depends on who they indict; this is noteworthy, because who they indict doesn't affect how those who are indicted are viewed.
Soon, John Durham will be joining the ranks of the Deep State, if he ever wraps up his farce initiated to soothe the former guy's ego.
About Wes Moore…I have not been following his campaign but I am rooting for him.
When my daughter was in high school, she read a book entitled “The Other Wes Moore: One Name, Two Fates”. I read it and it is the compelling story of Wes Moore’s childhood which is contrasted with the life story of another child named Wes Moore who lived in an adjacent neighborhood. Spoiler alert- the other Wes Moore murdered a police officer and is serving a life sentence in prison. Fox News will tell you that candidate Wes Moore’s story is a complete fabrication…
Anyway, Wes Moore has done much in his life to be proud of and I hope he wins his bid for governor.
It is as if 20% of the country took their crazy pills: believing patently absurd delusions like Q and that Biden is the incarnation of the Antichrist. Are our fellow citizens this crazy? This dangerous? Yes. And the leaders are Republican politicians.
I was fortunate enough to attend college and grad school back when there were still these things called "Scholarships" for high-performing students, without which I would never have been able to attend. A nation that expects its citizens to fund their own education entirely at their own expense will never produce the best and brightest and will and ensure multi-generational inequality - which seems to be the goal of many of our wealthiest who fear their own dim darlings having to compete with smarter poorer kids. I don't know if executive loan forgiveness is constitutional or not, but I do know a very bright and hard-working young couple expecting their 1st child that anticipate receiving a $20,000 break that will change their lives for the better - and I couldn't be more happy for them.
The CBO "analysis" of the student debt forgivenness proposal takes the effect out to 30 YEARS, when most CBO analyses of progams only go out 10 YEARS and very occasionally out to 20. This is a hit job by the Trumpkins in the CBO.
It also takes no accounting of any estimates of participation (something that is standard in a real CBO analysis, which this isn't.
This is BULLSHIT, and the only reason Charlie and the other conservatives are jumping up and down with joy is because their Inner Wingnut Bullshitter just got the analysis they wanted to read. The fact that Peter Baker of the NYT also swallowed this shit whole demonstrates that the reason why the Political Press Corpse can't find their ass with both hands on a clear day with a 30 minute advance notice is because that's where they permanently keep their heads.
Since I was about 9 when the whole "Contact With America" thing happened, I decided to look it up the other day. They had actual laws listed they were going to pass. About economic stuff. When was the last time the Republican party came forward with a law that didn't involve tax cuts or culture war BS during a campaign?
Congressional irresponsibility and executive overreach aside, the outright cancellation of debt, however limited in its targeting, has significant moral hazard. The reduction of the payback threshold has negative longer-term fiscal implications. A better approach would have been a buy-down of the highest interest rates on these loans, which would have wider benefit. But that would take action by a Congress more concerned with theatrics and point-scoring than practical, useful legislation.
The causation of the student debt is the student loan banking complex and their usurious interest rates and the ridiculously high cost of college compared with anywhere else in the world. It’s a great win for the loan originators and sucks for everyone else. It’s the core if this problem that isn’t being addressed, just the result. His dumb.
Charlie… What you & your pinned WP article headline neglected to mention about the cost of the student loan forgiveness is that this cost is over 30 years! And almost always forgotten is the fact that low and middle income earners will get the biggest benefit from this. When’s the last time this segment of Americans got any benefits from Congress or an Executive Order?
I’m very tempted to shoot you a meme concerning the pearl clutching about forgiving up to $10M of student debt ($20M for those with Pell Grants), but instead I’ll just quote it:
“If you have a problem with the student debt cancellation, just pretend it’s a big tax cut for corporations & the 1% that you never got, but mysteriously never complained about.”
Charlie, I am so hoping that you are right about Mastriano. A friend of mine drove from Ohio to New York about 10 days ago and in the rural areas it's wall-to-wall Mastriano signs.
Well Charlie...I still disagree with you vehemently on this issue. Executive orders are the result of a gutless and useless legislative branch that spends its time investigating each other rather than doing their duty. MILLIONS of Americans are heavily burdened by student debt. It may not be a crisis as you would define it but for those Americans it is. We bail out airlines, other countries and special interests all the time. It is refreshing to see a President act for the American people. Republicans whine constantly about the cost...on their watch, the top 1% got quite a tax cut that benefitted very few yet , that was ok? Anyhoo..love the Bulwark and all you guys do! PC
I’m old enough to remember when the neocons were all in on executive power. Spend trillions of dollars to invade another country because we don’t like the guy in charge? CHECK!
Spend a fraction of that amount to release millions of Americans from indentured servitude to a predatory student loan system? TYRANNY!
This is my now almost weekly reminder that the one tide that is historically proven to lift all boats is education (not trickle-down economics, despite the GOP’s long-suffering devotion to that turd of a theory). The student loans people took out to get a college education were invested in local communities (restaurants, clothing stores, mechanic shops, etc.)… and the spillover effects of having more dentists, and doctors and even (gasp!) philosophy majors in a community are also well documented.
But, HEAVEN FORBID we try to do anything about the crushing debt these folks took on to give those benefits to their communities! SOCIALISM!!! Why, if we let these folks off the hook it might even incentivize more people to get educated! An educated populace? National disaster! I mean, just look at the dystopian wastelands of Canada, Sweden, Norway and every other country that provides a free university education to citizens. What would happen to us if we emulated their happier citizens and better healthcare systems?! Better the vagaries of the free market and for-profit lending in education, I say!
Gimme a break… Charlie, we agree on a lot, but you’re dead wrong on student loans. (And this is coming from a guy who gets no direct benefit out of the program.)
That total is spread over 30 years, per Heather Cox Richardson.
Kind of surprised that there isn't a moment of reflection upon Roger Stone's latest disclosed episode of diarrhea of the mouth. (Though, in fairness, I cannot begrudge anyone deciding that nothing he says is worth paying attention to.) So I'll take the liberty, albeit briefly, and give others the floor in offering their own analysis.
"F**k the voting. Let's get right to the violence."
Setting aside the somewhat significant fact that Mr. Monopoly is all but admitting that there already was a plan in place to overturn the election results, by whatever means necessary, before the ballots were cast, it is blatantly obvious that this privileged elitist has never stared down the business end of a gun that someone intended to use, or even a knife or some other blunt instrument that was wielded by somebody altogether willing to draw blood for a purpose. If faced with a real threat, there is little doubt that Stone would turn tail and run away faster than a starving mouse scampers for fresh cheese. Josh Hawley would be envious of the land speed record that Stone would set in distancing himself from any real threat of violence upon his person.
Something I'm not yet seeing here but when the hurricane de jour slams into Tampa, it will be a statement of how governance works in Florida. It may be DeSantis's waterloo. If it is as big as projections suggest, we can see whether government is interested in the needs of the people. In fairness, the feds will be tested as well but not in the same light.
I loved the definitions that Maddow gave last night about what occurs when you try to deny the people the right to vote. She said that it's an indicator that they don't want to use their power in office to help that group of people if they need it. Fascism essentially serves fascists, and they are only interested in preserving their own power. they are not interested in governance at all.
Would GOP voters support a Trump candidacy while Trump was under indictment? Look no further than Ken Paxton....
See, when Paxton or Trump gets indicted by the feds, it's the Deep State. If Hillary Clinton or Jim Comey were to get indicted by the feds, it's back the blue, law and order, rah rah. Also, if Hillary Clinton or Jim Comey aren't indicted, also Deep State. Same feds in either event, but how they are viewed depends on who they indict; this is noteworthy, because who they indict doesn't affect how those who are indicted are viewed.
Soon, John Durham will be joining the ranks of the Deep State, if he ever wraps up his farce initiated to soothe the former guy's ego.
I would advise Ms. Pugacheva to avoid all open windows. And probably best to stick to ground floors of buildings.
About Wes Moore…I have not been following his campaign but I am rooting for him.
When my daughter was in high school, she read a book entitled “The Other Wes Moore: One Name, Two Fates”. I read it and it is the compelling story of Wes Moore’s childhood which is contrasted with the life story of another child named Wes Moore who lived in an adjacent neighborhood. Spoiler alert- the other Wes Moore murdered a police officer and is serving a life sentence in prison. Fox News will tell you that candidate Wes Moore’s story is a complete fabrication…
Anyway, Wes Moore has done much in his life to be proud of and I hope he wins his bid for governor.
It is as if 20% of the country took their crazy pills: believing patently absurd delusions like Q and that Biden is the incarnation of the Antichrist. Are our fellow citizens this crazy? This dangerous? Yes. And the leaders are Republican politicians.
I was fortunate enough to attend college and grad school back when there were still these things called "Scholarships" for high-performing students, without which I would never have been able to attend. A nation that expects its citizens to fund their own education entirely at their own expense will never produce the best and brightest and will and ensure multi-generational inequality - which seems to be the goal of many of our wealthiest who fear their own dim darlings having to compete with smarter poorer kids. I don't know if executive loan forgiveness is constitutional or not, but I do know a very bright and hard-working young couple expecting their 1st child that anticipate receiving a $20,000 break that will change their lives for the better - and I couldn't be more happy for them.
Once more, into the breech WITH BULLSHIT DATA!!!!
The CBO "analysis" of the student debt forgivenness proposal takes the effect out to 30 YEARS, when most CBO analyses of progams only go out 10 YEARS and very occasionally out to 20. This is a hit job by the Trumpkins in the CBO.
It also takes no accounting of any estimates of participation (something that is standard in a real CBO analysis, which this isn't.
This is BULLSHIT, and the only reason Charlie and the other conservatives are jumping up and down with joy is because their Inner Wingnut Bullshitter just got the analysis they wanted to read. The fact that Peter Baker of the NYT also swallowed this shit whole demonstrates that the reason why the Political Press Corpse can't find their ass with both hands on a clear day with a 30 minute advance notice is because that's where they permanently keep their heads.
Since I was about 9 when the whole "Contact With America" thing happened, I decided to look it up the other day. They had actual laws listed they were going to pass. About economic stuff. When was the last time the Republican party came forward with a law that didn't involve tax cuts or culture war BS during a campaign?
Congressional irresponsibility and executive overreach aside, the outright cancellation of debt, however limited in its targeting, has significant moral hazard. The reduction of the payback threshold has negative longer-term fiscal implications. A better approach would have been a buy-down of the highest interest rates on these loans, which would have wider benefit. But that would take action by a Congress more concerned with theatrics and point-scoring than practical, useful legislation.
The causation of the student debt is the student loan banking complex and their usurious interest rates and the ridiculously high cost of college compared with anywhere else in the world. It’s a great win for the loan originators and sucks for everyone else. It’s the core if this problem that isn’t being addressed, just the result. His dumb.
Charlie… What you & your pinned WP article headline neglected to mention about the cost of the student loan forgiveness is that this cost is over 30 years! And almost always forgotten is the fact that low and middle income earners will get the biggest benefit from this. When’s the last time this segment of Americans got any benefits from Congress or an Executive Order?
I’m very tempted to shoot you a meme concerning the pearl clutching about forgiving up to $10M of student debt ($20M for those with Pell Grants), but instead I’ll just quote it:
“If you have a problem with the student debt cancellation, just pretend it’s a big tax cut for corporations & the 1% that you never got, but mysteriously never complained about.”
Charlie, I am so hoping that you are right about Mastriano. A friend of mine drove from Ohio to New York about 10 days ago and in the rural areas it's wall-to-wall Mastriano signs.